//Interview with a few whales

Interview with a few whales

I’m not going to tell you what they hold beside BitCoin because thats how my client got rich in the first place. This way I don’t get accused of shilling or making shit up . I’m trying to bring everyone here the truth about how whales think. Or at least how some whales think.One of my clients got me into Crypto. Him and his friends are whales. They were early BitCoiners , my client being the biggest one who purchased a $21,000,000 apartment building in Jersey City with Bitcoins when they were $700 each. He essentially paid 10 times as much for that building. However my client is worth over 250million . Collectively his buddies are worth over a Billion. He helped me with my first investment over a year ago. I blindly listened to him about ripple, and it paid off big time for me. This is the same guy who was urging me to buy Ant Shares(Neo) with my newly acquired riches from ripple back in July. I didn’t listen because I was happy . Fuck me , I should’ve. I would definitely been a milionare by now. Whatever.After finally getting a hold of my client to discuss crypto. (Its been a few months since we talked). He invited me out for drinks with him and his friends at a place in JC to discuss maintenance contracts at their properties. They wanted a new contract that was cheaper than who they were with now. We also tslked about Crypto!They were all whales. Most of them were rich off regular investments in Stocks , and some came from wealthy families, and only him and one other person were once nobodies who struck it rich off Crypto. My client is only 36. I service all of his properties for heating and sir conditioning , and now I service his friends. We discussed a lot here, I took notes,1. They all sell when one of their holdings pumps, then re buy after it dips.No surprise there. Even little guys like me do that.But they don’t sell all of it, they usually sell off about 10%- 25% depending on the situation.2. They are not short term holders.When they believe in something , they stick to it long term. They only sell to re buy back the same thing, and increase their position.**3. They keep about 10% of their holdings on exchanges.Yes you heard that right. They have millions scattered on different exchanges. For quick liquidity.The exchanges they trust the most are Kraken , and Binance.The rest is kept in a mix of Hard wallets, paper wallets, mobile wallet (bread), and ledger nanos.Some of their ledger nanos, and paper wallets are stored in actual banks.4. They rarely/never join ICOsThey believe ICOs are only for suckers, or investors on the inside. 9 times out of 10 it dumps once its released. No surprise there.Some however join IPOs, and have acted as angel investors. They said this is the only reason they would participate in an ICO but so far have not.5. They don’t want the market to dipThey would rather see Bitcoin stay up or stay the same price. They say that’s when they make the most money. They say they have no intention of making the price drop. However, they do contribute to the price dropping when selling off their liquid holdings during dips, but usually re buy shortly after.6. Market Manipulation/price supressionI had to ask several questions of what they thinkThey have no intention of it. Like mentioned earlier, they would rather see the market stay up.All of their colleagues , and associates are long term holders in both stocks, crypto currencies, and real estate.they do believe it exists, but more likely done by individuals in other countries or by large institutions.Can they manipulate the market if they wanted to?Yes they can, but they said “we are being watched”. Their BTC addresses are audited , and tracked. If they got caught they could be in alot of trouble. They say, It falls under the same category of pump and dump schemes.would they do it if they were allowed No, it only hurts the market, and deters adoption. Its a tricky game. They also own a couple of firms dealing with clients holdings. Its against their interests. The most money to be made is when the market is in good shape.Do big banking institutions buy crypto currencies, and if so , are they involved in market manipulation?Yes, of course they buy crypto currencies. Any market you can think of, the banks have a piece. A few of our clients are banking institutions, mostly smaller banks, but we have clients who work for bigger banks such as JP Morgan who are heavily involved.Manipulation ? No, like us they make the most money when the market is up. The more people involved, the more profits, but they do take advantage of bad news such as the banning usage of Credit card transactions, but they are just following protocol. They have heavy restrictions when using credit to buy stocks, or uses for gambling such as at a casino.how do they take advantage of the bad news for banning CCs for cryptoThe legal way, they release the news first, then sell immediately after. Its illegal to sell off before they release news that effect the markets. Its considered insider trading, but believe me, they are first at the table to sell off, and the first to buy after the dip.wouldn’t you consider that an unfair advantage?Yes and No. Its totally legal, but like we said, they are first to the table to sell, and they have an advantage to sell at the best time. There should be a 1 day waiting period but its very complicated.do some people get the word on the inside and sell before the news anyway?most certainly, but not on the wide scale that you might think. For instance it could be a regular clerk working for the bank that has small holdings, and they will sell. The big guys always wait until the news is released first.you said you believe individulas/ larger institutions in other countries are heavily involved in manipulation. What type of people?Hedge fund managers , criminal organizations, maybe some governments of smaller countries, and institutions heavily involved in derivitives markets are most likely the culprit.how’s so?They make tons of money off the market. They don’t care about regular people. Securing in the lowest buy price possible is the main goal. They know they can secure in selling BTC at prices for $10,000 per , and then dip the price of BitCoin to $7000. Then repeat. There’s Billions to be made in the Derivitives(futures) market. They might have insider information which is going to cause a temporary drop of $1000 . it might last 2 weeks, and they will capitalize on that opportunity to make contracts, then they will buy it back from the same people for cheaper off the market, then sell on the market after it pumps. Its a vicious destructive cycle.So how do criminals msnipulste the msrket?Spreading negative fake rumors of a ban is the easiest way, theres even some smaller news agencies that are muscled into releasing this news, its complicated . We all know it happens, but these people can’t really be stopped. These arent the type of people you want to mess with. There is too many powerful people involved and will most likely get away with everything they do. Thats why the worlds futures market is 10 times what the world produces in a year.wait, but if they keep doing this, then eventually crypto will just die off right?No not exactly. If they let it die then theres no more money to be made off of it . there’s a limit. They will let it rise again before they start manipulating it.how much money do you think was already made off futures?Not sure, but More money than the total market worth is now.so back to bankers buying crypto. So basically banking institutions are seemingly publically against crypto currencies but they are actively buying?Yes haha, like we said. Most statements released to the public are just following protocol. They speak as a corporation, not as individuals.7. Do you ever get insider tips?Yes of course, but not like you may think. For instance we might get news of a project being almost complete , and we know they will release the news so we will buy some, and sell the news after the pump. However we aren’t dumping millions into the rumor. A couple hundred thousand is good enough. Money is money.so buying the rumor and selling the news is true?Yes entirely.9. Is crypto a threat to our monetary system? We have been asked this several times. No, at least not ours. Most people are in it so they can cash out for fiat. Its as big as a threat as stocks are. Which is not a threat. People love their fiat, and so do we. Can you imagine recieving your pay check in BitCoin then having it lose value on a rumor right before you go to spend it?10. Will stocks go crypto one day?Yes we believe stocks will eventuslly become digital coins, there are many people currently working on it, but it will be subject to the same regulation stocks are hence the SEC imposing regulations on exchanges who hold securities. There’s already platforms for this very reason. But Its going to take a few years . theres too many security issues at the moment. The last thing we need is someone hacking, and minting stocks . It would be a disaster .What about poloniex?Yes for sure. They are looking to be the biggest one for crypto s classified as securities.so this is good news for the entire market?Yes and no. There’s too many shit coins that exist even in the top 100. Only a handful will actually be used for everyday transactions. Not all will die, but they aren’t going to give the returns most people think. The rise of legit tokens will bring fall to all the worthless Crypto s that dont even have a working platform. The stock markets went through this once during the dot com boom. All you needed was a good website, and an Idea. Not All, but some Crypto s are doing the same exact thing, and a lot of people who own them, and shill them are going to be very disappointed and lose alot of money11. What’s the best way to know if a crypto will thrive in the futureThey should have at least a working prototype that proves the idea can work, and very beneficial once complete. The ones that are already widely used will most likely survive. Larger existing platforms that issued tokens for utility on their platforms are also very good holds as long as the companies that do so continue to expand. Just like companies on the stock market. You will always see returns when they are expanding. Its when they stop expanding is when its time to move on. Bitcoin while not a company is expanding in adoption. It has alot more room to grow.The end. So you see, not all whales are manipulating the market. Its most likely against their interest to suppress the market.And just like us, they have the same theories of whos manipulating the market .Yes banks are assholes. They go public against it, then buy when its low. This is why you should take bad news with of grain of salt.

I'm not going to tell you what they hold beside BitCoin because thats how my client got rich in the first place. This way I don't get accused of shilling or making shit up . I'm trying to bring everyone here the truth about how whales think. Or at least how some whales think.

One of my clients got me into Crypto. Him and his friends are whales. They were early BitCoiners , my client being the biggest one who purchased a $21,000,000 apartment building in Jersey City with Bitcoins when they were $700 each. He essentially paid 10 times as much for that building. However my client is worth over 250million . Collectively his buddies are worth over a Billion. He helped me with my first investment over a year ago. I blindly listened to him about ripple, and it paid off big time for me. This is the same guy who was urging me to buy Ant Shares(Neo) with my newly acquired riches from ripple back in July. I didn't listen because I was happy . Fuck me , I should've. I would definitely been a milionare by now. Whatever.

After finally getting a hold of my client to discuss crypto. (Its been a few months since we talked). He invited me out for drinks with him and his friends at a place in JC to discuss maintenance contracts at their properties. They wanted a new contract that was cheaper than who they were with now. We also tslked about Crypto!

They were all whales. Most of them were rich off regular investments in Stocks , and some came from wealthy families, and only him and one other person were once nobodies who struck it rich off Crypto. My client is only 36. I service all of his properties for heating and sir conditioning , and now I service his friends. 

We discussed a lot here, I took notes,

1. They all sell when one of their holdings pumps, then re buy after it dips.

No surprise there. Even little guys like me do that.

But they don't sell all of it, they usually sell off about 10%- 25% depending on the situation.

2. They are not short term holders.

When they believe in something , they stick to it long term. They only sell to re buy back the same thing, and increase their position.

**3. They keep about 10% of their holdings on exchanges.

Yes you heard that right. They have millions scattered on different exchanges. For quick liquidity.

The exchanges they trust the most are Kraken , and Binance.

The rest is kept in a mix of Hard wallets, paper wallets, mobile wallet (bread), and ledger nanos.

Some of their ledger nanos, and paper wallets are stored in actual banks.

4. They rarely/never join ICOs

They believe ICOs are only for suckers, or investors on the inside. 9 times out of 10 it dumps once its released. No surprise there.

Some however join IPOs, and have acted as angel investors. They said this is the only reason they would participate in an ICO but so far have not.

5. They don't want the market to dip

They would rather see Bitcoin stay up or stay the same price. They say that's when they make the most money. They say they have no intention of making the price drop. However, they do contribute to the price dropping when selling off their liquid holdings during dips, but usually re buy shortly after.

6. Market Manipulation/price supression

I had to ask several questions of what they think

  • They have no intention of it. Like mentioned earlier, they would rather see the market stay up.

All of their colleagues , and associates are long term holders in both stocks, crypto currencies, and real estate.

  • they do believe it exists, but more likely done by individuals in other countries or by large institutions.

Can they manipulate the market if they wanted to?

Yes they can, but they said "we are being watched". Their BTC addresses are audited , and tracked. If they got caught they could be in alot of trouble. They say, It falls under the same category of pump and dump schemes.

would they do it if they were allowed No, it only hurts the market, and deters adoption. Its a tricky game. They also own a couple of firms dealing with clients holdings. Its against their interests. The most money to be made is when the market is in good shape.

Do big banking institutions buy crypto currencies, and if so , are they involved in market manipulation?

Yes, of course they buy crypto currencies. Any market you can think of, the banks have a piece. A few of our clients are banking institutions, mostly smaller banks, but we have clients who work for bigger banks such as JP Morgan who are heavily involved.

Manipulation ? No, like us they make the most money when the market is up. The more people involved, the more profits, but they do take advantage of bad news such as the banning usage of Credit card transactions, but they are just following protocol. They have heavy restrictions when using credit to buy stocks, or uses for gambling such as at a casino.

how do they take advantage of the bad news for banning CCs for crypto

The legal way, they release the news first, then sell immediately after. Its illegal to sell off before they release news that effect the markets. Its considered insider trading, but believe me, they are first at the table to sell off, and the first to buy after the dip.

wouldn't you consider that an unfair advantage?

Yes and No. Its totally legal, but like we said, they are first to the table to sell, and they have an advantage to sell at the best time. There should be a 1 day waiting period but its very complicated.

do some people get the word on the inside and sell before the news anyway?

most certainly, but not on the wide scale that you might think. For instance it could be a regular clerk working for the bank that has small holdings, and they will sell. The big guys always wait until the news is released first.

you said you believe individulas/ larger institutions in other countries are heavily involved in manipulation. What type of people?

Hedge fund managers , criminal organizations, maybe some governments of smaller countries, and institutions heavily involved in derivitives markets are most likely the culprit.

how's so?

They make tons of money off the market. They don't care about regular people. Securing in the lowest buy price possible is the main goal. They know they can secure in selling BTC at prices for $10,000 per , and then dip the price of BitCoin to $7000. Then repeat. There's Billions to be made in the Derivitives(futures) market. They might have insider information which is going to cause a temporary drop of $1000 . it might last 2 weeks, and they will capitalize on that opportunity to make contracts, then they will buy it back from the same people for cheaper off the market, then sell on the market after it pumps. Its a vicious destructive cycle.

So how do criminals msnipulste the msrket?

Spreading negative fake rumors of a ban is the easiest way, theres even some smaller news agencies that are muscled into releasing this news, its complicated . We all know it happens, but these people can't really be stopped. These arent the type of people you want to mess with. There is too many powerful people involved and will most likely get away with everything they do. Thats why the worlds futures market is 10 times what the world produces in a year.

wait, but if they keep doing this, then eventually crypto will just die off right?

No not exactly. If they let it die then theres no more money to be made off of it . there's a limit. They will let it rise again before they start manipulating it.

how much money do you think was already made off futures?

Not sure, but More money than the total market worth is now.

so back to bankers buying crypto. So basically banking institutions are seemingly publically against crypto currencies but they are actively buying?

Yes haha, like we said. Most statements released to the public are just following protocol. They speak as a corporation, not as individuals.

7. Do you ever get insider tips?

Yes of course, but not like you may think. For instance we might get news of a project being almost complete , and we know they will release the news so we will buy some, and sell the news after the pump. However we aren't dumping millions into the rumor. A couple hundred thousand is good enough. Money is money.

so buying the rumor and selling the news is true?

Yes entirely.

9. Is crypto a threat to our monetary system? We have been asked this several times. No, at least not ours. Most people are in it so they can cash out for fiat. Its as big as a threat as stocks are. Which is not a threat. People love their fiat, and so do we. Can you imagine recieving your pay check in BitCoin then having it lose value on a rumor right before you go to spend it?

10. Will stocks go crypto one day?

Yes we believe stocks will eventuslly become digital coins, there are many people currently working on it, but it will be subject to the same regulation stocks are hence the SEC imposing regulations on exchanges who hold securities. There's already platforms for this very reason. But Its going to take a few years . theres too many security issues at the moment. The last thing we need is someone hacking, and minting stocks . It would be a disaster .

What about poloniex?

Yes for sure. They are looking to be the biggest one for crypto s classified as securities.

so this is good news for the entire market?

Yes and no. There's too many shit coins that exist even in the top 100. Only a handful will actually be used for everyday transactions. Not all will die, but they aren't going to give the returns most people think. The rise of legit tokens will bring fall to all the worthless Crypto s that dont even have a working platform. The stock markets went through this once during the dot com boom. All you needed was a good website, and an Idea. Not All, but some Crypto s are doing the same exact thing, and a lot of people who own them, and shill them are going to be very disappointed and lose alot of money

11. What's the best way to know if a crypto will thrive in the future

They should have at least a working prototype that proves the idea can work, and very beneficial once complete. The ones that are already widely used will most likely survive. Larger existing platforms that issued tokens for utility on their platforms are also very good holds as long as the companies that do so continue to expand. Just like companies on the stock market. You will always see returns when they are expanding. Its when they stop expanding is when its time to move on. Bitcoin while not a company is expanding in adoption. It has alot more room to grow.

The end. So you see, not all whales are manipulating the market. Its most likely against their interest to suppress the market.

And just like us, they have the same theories of whos manipulating the market .

Yes banks are assholes. They go public against it, then buy when its low. This is why you should take bad news with of grain of salt.